Battery for Micro2440

Tiago
Hi,
I need help in my project to include one new power system for my micro2440
including a battery system. I was thinking about using PCF50633 but found
difficulties in understanding its operation in the scheme of electric
OpenMoko using the S3C2442. Can someone help me with this?
I do not know if I was clear.
^^

davef
You want to replace all of the on-board regulators with this device?

Can YOU solder this package to a PCB?

Maybe, a link to page you are looking at.  I am looking at
http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/datasheet/PMU/PCF50633DS_02.pdf

Could you be more specific as to what you don't understand?

Tiago
Hi davef, i'm working with a project micro2440, but 2440 don't have a
system of battery, i would like to include system of alimentation with
source external and when system external out, use the battery. I found a
similar system that OpenMoko project, but could not understand his schemes,
I would like you to help me. And yes, i would to know if i can replace all
regulators with this PCF50633.
My main doubt is if I can easily replace these with componetes PCF50633,
and this fits with the micro 2440. I'm making a new boardbased on micro
2440
Thx.

Juergen Beisert
Hi Tiago,

I would suggest to test first how long does your system run just with an
external battery acting as a 5 V power supply to your board.

The S3C2440 SoC has a lot of nice features which can save power even when
the SoC runs under heavy load. But the Mini2440 nor the Tini2440 can use
it, because they use fixed voltage regulators and cannot switch off unused
external devices temporarely, becasue they are not intended for battery
usage.

Only with a dynamic voltage generator you can really save power. And this
includes special software drivers which reduce SoC-internal clock speeds
*and* the voltage at the same time on demand. Nothing else makes sense.

davef
Have you got the skills or resources to mount this component?

I had a look through the datasheet and I must say it looks like the most
elaborate power management IC that I have seen.

Again, a link to the project would be useful.

It looks like the three switching regulators should be able to replace up
to three linear regulators. I see the micro2440 has only two voltages.

List all of your power supply voltages and the current required for them.

Are you trying to do this to reduce power consumption by using switching
regulators or ??

3V3 at 1100mA max.  From memory the mini2440 is about 50-75% of that.  Are
you also going to run a touchscreen? 

Try to answer each one of my questions or I just have to ask again or give
up.

Tiago
Hi, 
Thanks for you response,i am new on the eletronic area, but i am working
with this for learn and build professional.
I am doing the schemas with DipTrace.
The power coming by means of a car(12v), or a truck(24v) or external
battery(5,12 or 24)with conector DB9..for this I will use a 7805 voltage
regulator with out 5v. 5volts will distribute these to my controller and 2
USB ports, my 7'' LCD, processor 2440, and another voltage regulator
LM1117-3.3 volts for the same 7'' LCD, processor 2440, SD-Card and touch
screen.
I would like to use PCF50633 to manage energy supply and facilitate the
system on / off the board.
Do you think that will work?
I do not know what the current will pass through these components, and do
not know if the 7805 will endure.

Tiago
post me your email to send my schematics

davef
First problem is the maximum voltage for that part is 5V.  So, no it
doesn't look like a good fit your applications.

I would suggest you do some research on 
SEPIC converters on the TI.com site.

As you do not seem to be concerned about minimum power consumption then I
would leave the mini2440 just as it is and power it from a 5V output SEPIC
converter. 

Why are you using a DB9 connector for DC power? Might cause damage if
someone accidentally plugs it into RS232 DB9 connector.

A 7805, in the right package, might handle your 12V and 24V conditions but
not your 5V condition.  At 24V you might have to dissipate 15-20Watts, if
you are also running the backlight.

dave underscore festing at hotmail dot com

davef
You still didn't answer my two questions!

Tiago
Hey, it me again.
Do you recommend any battery to use in micro 2440 with lcd 7"?

davef
Sounds like a different application now.  How long do you want it to run
for?

Long time - a car battery with a buck mode switcher to 5V
Shorter time - 7.2V LiPo with a LDO linear regulator

Tiago
I found one IC max17085 to use in my project...i will do the test and post
here..to tell you if work or not..^^ ty all

Tiago
Hey Davef...you know if micro2440 has any pin that make battery monitoring?
Like battery low or full? 
thank you.

davef
I doubt very much that there is that capability built-in.  You could use
one of the ADC inputs, suitably scaled and protected for that purpose.  And
either "cat" the value to the screen or display it in a GUI, like Qt 

You would need a reasonable idea of the discharge curve of your battery to
make it useful.